The truth is, no one knows what will happen to all the dead ones. Some say there is an afterlife and some say no afterlife, but the fact remains, no one who has an opinion has ever died and come back to tell the story with workable evidence and proof. Yes there is a story that a man named Jesus died and came back, but that was some 2000 years ago, and if you want to believe that or not, no harm done.Believe what gets your through this life.
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Paradise Earth
by Jeff1 injust recently i was looking at a topic on jwfacts entitled 'paradise on earth forever.
' from the research paul did on this topic he mentioned that there is no biblical evidence of an earthly resurrection.
i haven't heard this before but wanted to get some thoughts on this topic.
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These days it not really that hard being a witness.
by I believe in overlapping inif you are a true believer, then you are toast.
because you will be a slave to everything the watchtower, circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, imply.
believe me, there are not many true believers anymore, and the majority of them are old.
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These days it not really that hard being a witness.
by I believe in overlapping inif you are a true believer, then you are toast.
because you will be a slave to everything the watchtower, circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, imply.
believe me, there are not many true believers anymore, and the majority of them are old.
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sir82
Unless you are:
-- A child being sexually molested by an elder / relative
Child sexual abuse (CSA) is a universal problem not just a Watchtower problem.
The WHO in 2002 estimated that 73 million boys and 150 million girls under the age of 18 years had experienced various forms of sexual violence.
If I'm correct, there are only 8 million jws world wide and I doubt all of them are being sexually abused.
What place can you recommend sir82 that is a sure thing where a child will not sexually be molested if the child leaves the Watchtower? What Church, what school, what University, what country, what organization. You actually think that leaving the watchtower makes any child safe from being sexually molested?
You need to get informed before making wide generalizations about any group.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311357/
For the 2% of JWs who are not one of those
Post the reference where it shows without a doubt that it’s 2%
Finkelstein
Wrote;
But if the person who received a BT tells it to another JWS in good standing and that info gets passed to an elder eventually, the elders will investigate.
You seem to be an old dud who doesn’t have his glasses on. Let me make it simple for you so you don’t have to get your glasses.
Here’s what I wrote;
And this is very important; you never invite the blood liaison or tell any of the jw friends. And if they find out, make sure the hospital staff understands that no visitors are allowed.
Let me write it again.
And this is very important; you never invite the blood liaison or tell any of the jw friends. And if they find out, make sure the hospital staff understands that no visitors are allowed.
You remind me of the old jw elder who always approaches me and asks me about why I’m going to college and I explain it to him but he never seems to get it and repeats the same question.
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These days it not really that hard being a witness.
by I believe in overlapping inif you are a true believer, then you are toast.
because you will be a slave to everything the watchtower, circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, imply.
believe me, there are not many true believers anymore, and the majority of them are old.
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If you are a true believer, then you are toast. Because you will be a slave to everything the Watchtower, Circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, IMPLY.Believe me, there are not many TRUE BELIEVERS anymore, and the majority of them are OLD.
But for a lot of us young people who got baptized to early and now we realize we don’t want to make the Watchtower our life, there really isn’t much that the organization demands or can do that will interfere with our chances of making a good life for ourselves.
For one thing, it really isn’t as dangerous as it was during the time my parents were young when you couldn’t take any blood whatsoever---not even a tiny drop of a fraction.
Now days you can actually take blood, as long as you call it fractions. I’ve have plenty of friends and their parents, who had to go to the hospital for some emergency, and the jw parents immediately tell the doctor and hospital staff that their son or daughter will take blood—as long as it’s fractions.
Usually the doctor says something like; “What do you mean fractions?” And the parents recite what is posted on the jw website which is all white cell fractions, all platelet fractions, hemin, hemoglobin Albumin, clotting factors, Fibrinogen, immunoglobulins and (whatever other fraction you can think of Doc. That can help my child)
The doctor usually will ask something like, “So blood is OK?” and the parents will say something like, “Just like we said doc, do what you need to do to keep our child save.” It’s usually vague because these days it’s very vague what blood fractions you can’t take. In fact nothing is in print regarding what blood fractions are forbidden. So it’s a conscience matter as long as you don’t get the blood liaison or other jws involved.
And this is very important; you never invite the blood liaison or tell any of the jw friends. And if they find out, make sure the hospital staff understands that no visitors are allowed. You can figure out a hundred ways to explain why no visitors are allowed at the moment.The hospital won't reveal anything to anyone not privileged.
Field service is a joke now. There are so many things you can do. Tag up with someone that does cart witnessing and is known for setting up the cart and going to the coffee shop to catch-up on his phone for a couple of hours. Or tag up with someone who does one RV and then does the “Old getaway act”
(I’m not feeling good, can I leave you at your car, or do you mind if we have breakfast and call it a day, I’ve got something important that came up)
Don’t join the School------What school---LOL!
Going to college is not a problem anymore. Just go. Usually it’s the old jws that get on your case for going to college, but if one of them approaches you and starts blabbing away and you get tired of it, just excuse yourself and tell him you have to go to the bathroom and by the time you come out he probably already forgot your name.
If you rarely go in service, don’t volunteer for anything, rarely go to the meetings, no one is going to give a hoot what you do with your life. Actually slowly but surely it is becoming the norm for young people to just start off at a community college, when they ask what are you studying; (tell them you are taking your basics and thinking of becoming a plumber for the new order) and the conversation usually stops. Then finish your work load and finish off at a University if that’s what you are pursuing.
This is important, if you are in a congregation with a bunch of old school idiot elders-----MOVE to another hall where the elders as not such asses and leave you alone.
And last, if you want to keep all your family and friends, don’t put yourself on the radar by smoking in public, getting drunk, or fornicating with a believing young jw girls. Sooner or later they will spill the beans.In fact, don't do anything questionable from WT point of view, with any believing JWs
Older jw single girls have always been cool with me and never spilled the beans.
Most of the people in the congregations are tired of the whole thing, (Overlapping generation, We need more money, and all the changes that betray the fact that they don’t believe we are in the last days anymore)
The organization is becoming a place where you go and meet up with your friends, make plans to go to a restaurant, a movie, a get together at home, maybe meet a boy or girl. I think more than half of my former congregations don’t even believe the end will come in their time anymore. I've had a lot of the brothers and sisters that come over to visit my parents tell me;
Maybe you'll get the chance to see the great tribulation, but maybe not, it's good you're going to school just in case you get old and have to take care of yourself. It's no fun being old and having no money.
THE TRUTH----is now only ----------the
truth.My parents starting going to the meetings just once every few moons when they get lonely. They usually invite some of their old friends to come over and play some cards. They talk about Trump, the caravan of immigrants, the richest people on the planet, what they would do if they had a million dollars, what the wife or husband will do if one of them dies, and it seems that they always talk about how nice it was when they were young. The brothers always bring up the stories of when they had lots of hair, and the sisters always bring up the stories of when they had nice legs and no sunspots on their face and didn't have to color their hair. But these days I rarely hear them talk about the New system of things.
Maybe in the back of their mind they know it’s not coming anymore.
Anyway according to my parents, the organization is nothing like it was when they were newly married.
They told me; “Son, do whatever makes you happy and secure, we probably won’t be around very long.
It was kind of sad-------because remember, I was raised in the organization, and I was not supposed to see my parents die—ever!
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Don't give them 2019
by snare&racket ini am writing the post i have wanted to write for some time.
it's a heartfelt note to those still attending meetings, still caught between the lines of watchtower and the world.
those with kids or a spouse in the society..... despite being mentally out....those who have weighed up that there is too much to lose in leaving.
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I glad that things worked out for you but realistically that scenario wont’ work for the majority of JWs. The reason being is because the majority of JWs in the organization are between the ages of 40s—70s. This point was made on this site here;
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6016417997520896/population-growth-demographics
So for example my dad and mom are in their forties and woke up. My dad stepped down as an elder and mom quit regular pioneering so they just faded. They go once in a long while to a meeting, for the sake of family and friends.
My dad is too old to go back to college and pursue another career. Sure, anyone can go to college at any age but being truthful about the matter, it’s just not worth it at a certain age to go back to school while trying to keep you job and pay the bills and graduate in your 50s and think some company will hire you just because you have a degree.
Another thing is what advantage is there if my parents DA themselves and lose all contact with their family. Sure, everybody says you can make friends outside the organization but realistically it’s not that easy once you are in you late 40s and 50s and up.
My parent’s friends are persons that they grew up with since before they were teens. Some say JW friends are conditional and maybe so but these JW friends have been there for my parents when things got bad. When my dad got in an accident and was unemployed for over a year, those JW friends always dropped groceries weekly, left envelopes with money in the mail box and just helped with chores and repairs until dad got on his feet.
If my parents left the WT organization, what are the chances that they will find friends like that? On top of that, grandma and grandpa from one side of the family are JWs and are nice people and including myself, I would hate to lose them since they are very old and have a limited time left on this earth.
Then there are the tons of other relatives who are jws and actually they are very nice people and it just isn’t worth losing them all just because we felt it was a bad move to stay in the organization and need to leave.
So for the majority of JWs in the organization, it actually doesn’t pay to leave. I’m talking most of those 40s and up.
I am not even considering husbands and wives who have woken up and have been married for over 20 years and have a great marriage. Why break the marriage just because it seems like a good idea to leave the WT cult. The husband or wife can fade, save the marriage, and there is hope the wife or husband will wake up.
I have friends who felt they had to leave the watchtower because it was crooked and false and as a result haven’t spoken to their parents for over 5 years. These are friends who tried very hard to encourage me to disassociate myself from the organization. Now they regret so much that they didn’t fade like me.
And keep in mind that it’s not that the parents are bad people, they love their children. It’s just that they have been misled by Watchtower propaganda, or brainwashed to believe that shunning their children is what Jehovah wants.
I on the other hand just faded and I get to keep not only my parents but all my jw family and some JW friends.
I could go on and one but leaving the WT organization isn’t a good idea for everyone, actually probably the majority. Everyone's situations is different. And to be honest, leaving the WT is not a guarantee that your life is going to turn out great or even better. There's all kinds of shit in life that can happen and derail your best, planned, intentions. It's a wise move to not burn all your bridges.
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Yet another example why you can't reason with a JW
by nowwhat? inso i mentioned to my pimi brother that the org.
only grew by 1.4 % 2 years in row and if you factor in the birthrate of 1.1 % that's only 3/10 of 1% growth for all that hard work.
i thought people would be streaming to the mountain of jehovah in the last days?
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So maybe Jehovah saves only 7 witnesses world-wide and start over, and chunk the rest. Jah did it before, He can do it again.
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JW.org video
by scary21 indoes anyone remember the video the jw came out with that showed the mom getting a phone call from her disfellowshipped daughter?
she is tempted to answer but doesn't .
she wants to be faithful to jehovah.
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Wasn't the original video that was presented at the convention portraying the same girl calling at night. But now the video shows her calling during the day?
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Harari, Yuval N.
by Charles Gillette inhave you read or know of harai, yuval n. books sapiens and homo deus.
i would appreciate your thoughts if you did.
i will be reading his book sapiens and then homo deus starting today.
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I've read all his books, another perspective from someone else on what happened in the past and what MIGHT happen in the future. Here is a short summary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4EIODEpYXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnNuOOOZP0&t
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All the child abuse lawsuits are just a hiccup in the bigger picture.
by I believe in overlapping inone of my uncles who has never been a jw is visiting for christmas.
my dad who has stopped being an elder and has stopped going to meetings started explaining to my uncle why he finally left the watchtower religion.
my dad had tried for years to convert my uncle but never succeeded.
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mentalclarity
Witnesses feel like they are the chosen ones.....That's hard for someone on the outside to comprehend.
Yes it is. Actually it's kind of amazing. I try to explain it to my girlfriend and her family and no matter how hard I try, they just tell me they don't get it. Or they say; "What the Big Deal" Very few people in general ever think to themselves as "THE CHOSEN ONES"
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All the child abuse lawsuits are just a hiccup in the bigger picture.
by I believe in overlapping inone of my uncles who has never been a jw is visiting for christmas.
my dad who has stopped being an elder and has stopped going to meetings started explaining to my uncle why he finally left the watchtower religion.
my dad had tried for years to convert my uncle but never succeeded.
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Xanthippe Has your uncle been to the Vatican?
No!
My uncle really doesn’t even think of religion. It’s only because his brother is bringing it up. The reason my uncle doesn't think much of the WT scandals is because he believes the sex abuse is a human species problem- or maybe not a problem but just human nature, and not necessarily a religion problem, at least for some people. He pointed out something kind of interesting to me when I was younger and was abused by older women. To be honest I really don’t call it abuse and most kids my age don’t either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7SpXGz-XOc
He told me to look at all the young women teachers who have lately been getting caught having sex with 13 year old students. There are actually tons of them the past couple of years. He told me to look at their lives. Most of them worked hard to get a degree in teaching. They spent several years going to school and have had to cough up the money to pay for the school. Just about all of them were happily married and had kids of their own. They had parents and siblings and friends who would be affected if she ever got caught having sex with a child. They also were very aware that if they got caught, more than likely they would have to spend some time in prison, probably years, and afterward register as a sex offender for life. All those years going to school to be a teacher, all the hard work, all the money spent, would go down the drain. Her only options for the rest of her life would be menial jobs which would translate into a life of poverty. Plus what man would want to marry a women who went to prison for child sex abuse.
So what happened?
Evidently for some persons those sex hormones escalate to such a high degree that they override the current norms of human behavior. The human desire to procreate with young healthy humans overrides any sense of self preservation. Age and law just entered the picture a few years ago according to history and that’s what is making all the scandals----into scandals.
It also happens in all fields not just religion. For example Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby just to name a few people in the film industry. Bill Cosby was the “Jell-O” man who loved pudding. (Who would have thought!) Politicians – where do I start, from members in congress to judges all the way to the President!
So I’ve notice that a lot of people, who’ve never been JWs or religious for that matter, never give it a second thought when news about Watchtower sex scandals comes out in the news.
So to my uncle, it's a scandal, but not really!